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Post by okcomputer on May 31, 2017 9:00:54 GMT -5
They call their version of the MCU the "DC Extended Universe", but that's dumb and I'm not gonna call it that.
Anyway, Wonder Woman comes out this weekend and it's getting really good reviews. Current RT score is 97%. For comparison, The Dark Knight and Iron Man 1 both scored 94%, and The Winter Soldier scored 89%. So things are looking good for Wonder Woman, which as I'm sure we'll hear from some blogger real soon is probably a conspiracy by Hollywood's dastardly cabal of feminists to heap undeserved praise on a superhero movie where a woman beats up lots and lots of men.
I really liked most of Man of Steel, I really hated most of Batman vs Superman, and I still haven't bothered with Suicide Squad. Hopefully Wonder Woman really is as good as they say, and with Joss Whedon putting the finishing touches on Justice League the DC Movie Universe can get the fresh start it desperately needs.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on May 31, 2017 9:37:18 GMT -5
Man of Steel was great, Dawn of Justice had cool parts I liked, and I've only seen Suicide Squad once but I didn't care for it at the time. To be fair though the night I watched it I'd had a bad day so I really wasn't in the best state of mind to enjoy any movie regardless of what it was so I need to give it another shot.
Justice League looks fun though. Aquaman is probably going to steal the show.
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Post by razkazz on May 31, 2017 10:14:40 GMT -5
That's interesting. I hated Man Of Steel in the theater, but I really enjoyed Dawn of Justice extended edition and thought Suicide Squad was a good time (other than Joker who was abysmal). I'm going to watch Man of Steel again because I think I'll enjoy it more knowing what it's lead up to in BvS. From what I've seen of Wonder Woman I think I could end up loving it.
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Post by okcomputer on May 31, 2017 11:01:43 GMT -5
I did catch a few minutes of the beginning of Suicide Squad on cable once, and there was a quick shot of Superman's elaborate state funeral from the end of BvS. And it just reminded me that that scene makes no sense whatsoever in the context of how Superman is portrayed in these movies. After what happened in Man of Steel, humanity should be TERRIFIED of Superman. I was really hoping that the sequel to that movie would be about Superman gaining people's trust by being, yknow, Superman, but instead we got a movie that crammed Batman and Wonder Woman into a story that left no room to develop Superman as a character. Then at the end when he dies fighting Doomsday, he gets a huge funeral in Washington DC that feels totally undeserved. If they kill Captain America in the MCU, a big funeral like that would make sense, because it would be earned. But after just two movies, there's no reason for Earth to consider Superman as anything other than a scary alien with terrifying powers who gets into extremely destructive fights with other scary aliens, and who also walked into the US Capitol Building right before it blows up. People would not trust a guy like that, let alone give him a hero's funeral the way they did. Stupid plotting issues aside, that's my biggest gripe with BvS. It's a shame too, because I think Cavill, Affleck, and Gadot were all really good in their roles, they just didn't have anything interesting to do.
So yeah, hopefully Wonder Woman begins to right the ship. If it makes enough money for the studio to decide a change in tone would be good, then that would be awesome because I'd love it if both Marvel and DC both have massive interconnected franchises that are reliably good.
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Post by NecroDragon on May 31, 2017 15:12:09 GMT -5
Kevin Smith loved it and Marc Bernardin, who has a stricter gauge, also liked it a lot. I'm hyped.
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Post by S. Griffin on May 31, 2017 16:07:31 GMT -5
Pretty much everybody but Jason Mewes has a stricter gauge on movie quality than Kevin Smith. Not a knock against him. Kev always tries to find something to love in a film, especially if it's Star Wars or based on a comic book, and he usually does. One thing to consider about the Tomato Meter is that percentage isn't the whole picture. Right now both Wonder Woman and The Dark Knight at at 94%, but TDK has an average rating of 8.6 while WW is at 7.6, which is the same as Winter Soldier's average, even though the percentage is higher. All of those numbers, however, are high enough to inspire hope and draw a reasonable conclusion that Wonder Woman is pretty fucking good. I'm really looking forward to it, and I have been since the first trailer popped at Comic Con last year, making the movie look very different in tone from the post-Nolan shit that came before it.
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Post by razkazz on May 31, 2017 18:25:41 GMT -5
I did catch a few minutes of the beginning of Suicide Squad on cable once, and there was a quick shot of Superman's elaborate state funeral from the end of BvS. And it just reminded me that that scene makes no sense whatsoever in the context of how Superman is portrayed in these movies. After what happened in Man of Steel, humanity should be TERRIFIED of Superman. I was really hoping that the sequel to that movie would be about Superman gaining people's trust by being, yknow, Superman, but instead we got a movie that crammed Batman and Wonder Woman into a story that left no room to develop Superman as a character. Then at the end when he dies fighting Doomsday, he gets a huge funeral in Washington DC that feels totally undeserved. If they kill Captain America in the MCU, a big funeral like that would make sense, because it would be earned. But after just two movies, there's no reason for Earth to consider Superman as anything other than a scary alien with terrifying powers who gets into extremely destructive fights with other scary aliens, and who also walked into the US Capitol Building right before it blows up. People would not trust a guy like that, let alone give him a hero's funeral the way they did. Stupid plotting issues aside, that's my biggest gripe with BvS. It's a shame too, because I think Cavill, Affleck, and Gadot were all really good in their roles, they just didn't have anything interesting to do. So yeah, hopefully Wonder Woman begins to right the ship. If it makes enough money for the studio to decide a change in tone would be good, then that would be awesome because I'd love it if both Marvel and DC both have massive interconnected franchises that are reliably good. I thought it worked. Superman died defeating Doomsday and Lex Luthor went to prison for creating it. The fact that he set Superman up would probably have been revealed to the public. And if Fox News told them Superman was good the whole time I find it believable that they would go from wanting him dead to holding a candle-lit vigil immediately because society has proven that it is that susceptible to believing whatever they're told by the TV and the Twitter. After Man of Steel I thought there was no way Cavill Superman could have been redeemed and I guess they could have put more emphasis on how he's redeemed in the public's eyes on-screen. But at least watching the extended cut, I thought that arc worked in the movie and was exactly what I needed after Man of Steel ended up being a cold, depressing disaster movie rather than a superhero one.
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 1, 2017 9:04:41 GMT -5
Pretty much everybody but Jason Mewes has a stricter gauge on movie quality than Kevin Smith. Not a knock against him. Kev always tries to find something to love in a film, especially if it's Star Wars or based on a comic book, and he usually does. One thing to consider about the Tomato Meter is that percentage isn't the whole picture. Right now both Wonder Woman and The Dark Knight at at 94%, but TDK has an average rating of 8.6 while WW is at 7.6, which is the same as Winter Soldier's average, even though the percentage is higher. All of those numbers, however, are high enough to inspire hope and draw a reasonable conclusion that Wonder Woman is pretty fucking good. I'm really looking forward to it, and I have been since the first trailer popped at Comic Con last year, making the movie look very different in tone from the post-Nolan shit that came before it. I guess I approach these types of movies the same way Kevin Smith does. It's more fun to enjoy a movie than it is to hate it, so I'll look for positive aspects and focus on those wherever I can. It's why I really like some pretty divisive movies (Man of Steel, Prometheus, etc) while still acknowledging their obvious flaws. That strategy doesn't always work though. Sometimes a movie is too much of a disjointed mess (Batman v Superman) to look past the bad to focus on the good. And yeah, I know RT scores are subjective and not all that scientific, but if Wonder Woman really is on the same level as The Dark Knight and Iron Man, then I'll raise my hopes a bit higher.
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Post by NecroDragon on Jun 1, 2017 12:40:39 GMT -5
I also approach these movies the same way Kevin Smith does. Whenever I watch his reviews I find myself agreeing with him almost 100% on every point he makes. It's rare for me to actively dislike or hate a movie.
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 1, 2017 14:39:59 GMT -5
The responses from the exactly-who-you'd-expect crowd to Wonder Woman's high RT score are hilarious. Predictable, sad, and flaccid, but still kinda hilarious.
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Post by BeefEaster on Jun 1, 2017 15:36:44 GMT -5
I'm really glad WW is doing well so hopefully DC can now realize they need to break out of this "dark and gritty" shit they've been stuck on since the dark knight came out
IT WORKED FOR A BATMAN MOVIE CAUSE THAT'S HOW BATMAN IS
but that shit doesn't work for most of the other DC characters, especially superman
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 5, 2017 11:03:24 GMT -5
Wonder Woman was really, really great. Best DC movie since The Dark Knight, no contest. The big "No Man's Land" scene that I think everyone expected when the WWI setting was revealed is awesome. We get glimpses of it in the trailers, but the way the whole scene plays out is seriously incredible. All the big fight scenes (and there are lots) use Snyder's trademark "slow-fast" editing style, but in this movie it's done better than any movie since Watchmen. There's also a lot of CGI during the fight scenes that tends to stick out more than it should, but not really enough to distract too much from the overall action. The movie as a whole feels very reminiscent of the first MCU Captain America movie, but that's probably inevitable given the time period and setting.
But the thing I liked most about the movie was that it has a real sense of humanity to it that's been lacking not only in the recent DC movies, but most of the Marvel movies as well. There's a scene where Diana and her team liberate a French village from German occupiers, but instead of moving on immediately, the movie slows down and we spend some time in the village, watching Diana interact with the people and get her first real sense of what mankind is like when we're not fighting a war. It's a really great scene, and it reminded me of similar scenes in the current Superman series that should've had a similar vibe, but instead were creepy and awkward. This scene has a real warmth to it, and it's a real breath of fresh air for these movies. The closest thing to it in the MCU would be the final scenes in The Avengers, with the people of New York expressing their gratitude, but the scene in WW is better.
So yeah, it's really good and I thought it lived up to the hype. Justice League still looks like another overly dark and dour thing, so it's not like this one movie redeems the DCEU as a whole, but it's a huge step in the right direction.
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Post by S. Griffin on Jun 11, 2017 15:35:35 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said except the village was in Belgium (the Flemisch part, based on the peoples' dialect).
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 12, 2017 8:27:44 GMT -5
Good catch. Years of watching war movies have made me used to assuming "liberated village=France", plus my Belgian is a little rusty.
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 20, 2017 8:27:37 GMT -5
Kinda unrelated to the current DC Movieverse, but the best DC movie ever made is FINALLY getting a Blu-ray release. www.digitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/061917-1500Batman: Mask of the Phantasm comes out on Blu-ray sometime next month. Pretty light on extras (just the trailer remastered in HD), and such a classic and beloved movie deserves the deluxe treatment with commentaries, maybe a retrospective on BTAS and how goddamn good it is even all these years later, something about Kevin Conroy's career as Batman, etc... But whatever, it's finally coming out on my favorite format and I'm stoked.
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Post by NecroDragon on Jul 6, 2017 20:03:33 GMT -5
Just saw Wonder Woman. Damn, that's the most badass women in one movie I've ever seen. That movie was awesome.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Jul 21, 2017 15:04:39 GMT -5
I keep hearing about all these problems with the new Batman movie and how Affleck is wanting to bail or they're wanting to recast him and I can't be the only one to find it funny that even if most of this is nothing more than gossip they're having this much trouble trying to get a movie about Batman who is basically the flagship character of DC off the ground meanwhile Aquaman a movie about a character most see as a joke and only a handful of people (myself included) are probably actually looking forward to is rocking and rolling with no problems.
I guess you could say they're trying to "handle with care" but still you'd think a new Batman movie shouldn't be this hard.
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 21, 2017 15:40:14 GMT -5
They always seem to struggle getting Batman reboots off the ground. It's weird, because every time someone at Sony sneezes they come out with a new Spider-Man reboot.
But even though I had LOTS of problem with Batman vs Superman, I thought Affleck was really good. Replacing him at this point is gonna be weird as hell. My bet is they kill off Bruce Wayne in Justice League 2, and cast a younger actor to play Bruce in a series of Batman prequels that introduce Dick Grayson, and then get another 30-something actor to play an older Dick Grayson putting on the Batsuit. But they'll probably just find the dumbest option available and do that.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Jul 21, 2017 16:38:39 GMT -5
Judging by comments I've read that's what a lot of people want to happen actually. Don't get me wrong I've got no problem with Batfleck but I do think they shouldn't have started DCEU Batman as the Dark Knight Returns version of him.
Pretty sure they've already announced a Nightwing movie too so that could really be a thing some day. Meanwhile I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting on a Batman Beyond movie with Keaton. *pssh* Yeah like that'll ever happen. *winkwinknudgenudgeDC/WB*
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Jul 22, 2017 16:12:11 GMT -5
Oh come on! This one has to be good right? RIGHT?
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Post by razkazz on Jul 22, 2017 16:27:30 GMT -5
Looks good. I was hoping Darkseid would be the villain, but I guess he's their equivalent to Thanos so we'll have to wait.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Jul 22, 2017 16:37:02 GMT -5
Pretty sure they're saving him for the second one. S:TAS did something similar. First was Kalibak trying to invade and when Superman whooped his ass Darkseid stepped in and wrecked shit in the hardest way possible.
Here we have Steppenwolf invading and I'm betting since his actions cause the formation of the JL Darkseid decides that he'll have to lead the charge next time.
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Post by razkazz on Jul 22, 2017 16:43:54 GMT -5
The only Steppenwolf I know penned the classic "Magic Carpet Ride". Is this guy gonna be cool?
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Jul 22, 2017 16:53:57 GMT -5
Well this is him in the comics last time I saw him... and in the Earth 2 comics one of the first things you see in the first issue is this... Now I'm not super up to date on my New Gods/Apocalypse lore so this may have changed but the way I remember him is he's Darkseid's uncle and head of his army who usually leads the full-scale invasions.
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 22, 2017 17:32:20 GMT -5
"Superman was a beacon to the world. He didn't just save people, he made them see the best parts of themselves."
I must have missed that movie...
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Post by razkazz on Jul 22, 2017 17:49:17 GMT -5
If he hurts Gal Gadot like that I'm gonna be pissed. "Superman was a beacon to the world. He didn't just save people, he made them see the best parts of themselves." I must have missed that movie... LOL My reaction exactly. It reminded me of when a celebrity is shit on their whole career and then they die and everyone says nice things. That line does not work within the context of the movies we've seen.
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 22, 2017 17:52:27 GMT -5
John McCain was a beacon to the world...
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Post by BeefEaster on Jul 23, 2017 5:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by NecroDragon on Jul 28, 2017 1:04:21 GMT -5
"Superman was a beacon to the world. He didn't just save people, he made them see the best parts of themselves." I must have missed that movie... In fucking deed. I think the effects of Flash look really cool.
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 28, 2017 15:26:22 GMT -5
Say what you will about Superman Returns (it's slow, it's boring, the kid is dumb, etc...) but that movie understood Superman better than Zack Snyder ever will.
Take this scene:
Those 5 minutes do a better job of representing who Superman is as a character than all of Man of Steel and BvS combined. He uses his powers to rescue people (first the space shuttle crew, then the people on the jet), he sets the plane down in the middle of a baseball game (because Superman is all about Americana), he makes a lame joke (because Superman is kind of a dork, not a jerk like the Snyder version), and then he steps outside the plane and stands in the doorway while everyone in the stands and everyone watching on TV cheers and claps and hugs each other (there's the sense of hope and optimism missing from the Snyder movies), and the icing on the cake is the classic John Williams theme playing while everyone in the world is losing their minds because SUPERMAN IS BACK.
I love that scene so damn much.
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