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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 23:15:37 GMT -5
Did anyone catch what was whispered to Ned in the flashback? Wasnt sure if she named the baby or if she named him Rhegars son?
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 27, 2016 0:21:01 GMT -5
She said that if Robert finds about the baby he'll kill him, and she made Ned promise to protect him. Not sure if she mentioned the name Jon or not.
It's gonna be weird when I finally read these books, already knowing how one of the biggest mysteries turns out. After I got into the show I said I'd wait to read the books until the last book was out of the show was over, whichever came first. Looks like the show will beat the books by several years.
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 27, 2016 10:41:18 GMT -5
Someone much more observant than me pointed out that three of the main casualties at the Red Wedding were Robb's direwolf (shot by crossbows), Robb Stark (stabbed in the gut) and Catelyn Stark (throat slit), and that the three main conspirators of the Red Wedding were Tywin Lannister (shot by a crossbow), Roose Bolton (stabbed in the gut), and Walder Frey (throat slit). That's some symmetrical revenge.
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Post by ravenmaniac on Jun 27, 2016 17:46:11 GMT -5
That's great!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 18:47:23 GMT -5
Never thought of that.
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Post by AgentFox5 on Jun 30, 2016 11:17:36 GMT -5
Brilliant!
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Post by okcomputer on Jun 30, 2016 12:44:08 GMT -5
It's a cool observation, but I'd match up the deaths differently. Crossbow (Robb/Tywin), stabbed (Talisa/Roose), throat slit (Catelyn/Walder). I know the crossbow bolts didn't kill Robb and that he only died after Roose stabbed him, but including the dire wolf in the theory makes less sense than including Robb's wife.
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Post by AgentFox5 on Jul 3, 2016 22:47:00 GMT -5
I think it makes more sense, since Rob's wife isn't even there in the books.
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Post by okcomputer on Mar 9, 2017 15:32:30 GMT -5
FUCK YEAH!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 22:07:19 GMT -5
Holy Jesus Fuck Season 7 just started with a huge bang!
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 17, 2017 8:49:30 GMT -5
For about a minute I thought that opening scene was a flashback, but then I realized HOLY SHIT NO IT'S NOT THIS IS GONNA BE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.
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Post by ravenmaniac on Jul 17, 2017 17:01:40 GMT -5
Yep, loved it. Enjoyed the entire episode, even though it was a bit slow. Hopefully there aren't many more of these episodes with only 12 left.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:33:26 GMT -5
Funny to see Tormund still in awe of Brianne
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 19, 2017 9:09:10 GMT -5
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 23, 2017 21:35:55 GMT -5
Goddammit Theon...
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Post by ravenmaniac on Jul 24, 2017 8:37:29 GMT -5
Looked like a smart move by Theon to me.
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Post by okcomputer on Jul 24, 2017 9:26:49 GMT -5
Nah, Euron had it right. He's a cockless coward. Jumping overboard, leaving your sister to get murdered by your psychotic uncle? Fuck you, Theon.
And I also like how the Theon scene contrasts with the Grey Worm/Missandei scene. Both guys were castrated, but it (along with the rest of Ramsay's psychological and physical torture) turned Theon into broken shell of a man, whereas Grey Worm showed he still knows how to treat his lady right. Good job, Grey Worm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 22:52:10 GMT -5
HOLY FUCK! DRAGON!!!
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Post by AgentFox5 on Aug 7, 2017 8:54:11 GMT -5
This was one of my favorite episodes in the show to date.
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Post by okcomputer on Aug 7, 2017 10:47:03 GMT -5
Incredible episode. TONS of stuff packed into those 60 minutes. A few random thoughts:
-Three Stark kids back in Winterfell at the same time! Awesome, even though one of them is a total weirdo and another one is a ruthless assassin, it's still great to see a family a reunion.
-That dagger is going to very important later on. My guess is Arya and Brienne head north to kill some Walkers with their badass Valerian weapons.
-Arya using the same moves Syrio taught her back in season 1 was a nice touch.
-Bran using Littlefinger's "Chaos is a ladder" line against him was so, so awesome. Usually I think Bran is the dullest character on the show, but once in a while he has his moments.
-Jon showing Dany the ancient cave paintings was a bit of a storytelling shortcut, but they've really stepped on the gas this season so shortcuts like that are understandable. Besides, it worked. I'm not one of the people who wants to see Jon and Dany start fucking ASAP, so I've enjoyed seeing the gradual respect growing between those two. In a season where every other plot is moving at lightning speed, I'm glad they're taking their time with this one.
-Dany's speech to Jon about his pride being more important than protecting his people is exactly what Jon said to Mance Rayder a few years back. Jon saw what happened to Mance, so it'll be interesting to see what he does next.
-That battle at the end... holy shit. I still liked the Battle of the Bastards better in terms of sheer scale and storytelling importance, but goddammit it was awesome to see Dany finally fly one of her dragons to Westeros and start barbecuing some Lannisters. I was hoping to see Sam's asshole of a father get torched, but I'm sure he'll get his before the show is done. At this point, I'm assuming every character that doesn't die still has some crucial role to play later on. But damn, I was sure someone important would die in that battle. I didn't think it would be Dany, and I still think Jaime is gonna stay alive long enough to kill Cersei, so I had my money on Bronn not making it out. Especially once he dropped his bag of gold, I was sure he was a goner. And while Jaime sinking to the bottom of the lake/river/whatever was a great cliffhanger, but I bet he'll be fine. He still has to see his sister go full Mad Queen, and then kill the crazy bitch.
-One more thing, about that dragon-killing ballista. Jaime kept calling it "the Scorpion", which makes me think there's some poison on those giant arrows. "Scorpion" is a cool name for a piece of anti-dragon weaponry, but it also implies some venom in its sting. I'm afraid Dracarys Drogon might not survive that wound after all...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 11:13:41 GMT -5
I was thinking that they may have poison on the tip as well. Maybe have the wound fester ala Drogo.
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Post by okcomputer on Aug 7, 2017 11:19:03 GMT -5
Oh, and I just now learned that "Dracarys" isn't the name of that dragon, but the command Dany uses that translates roughly to "time to fuck shit up". I've never been able to keep the 3 dragons' names straight, so I thought Dracarys was one of their names. Whoops.
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Post by AgentFox5 on Aug 7, 2017 13:24:22 GMT -5
Drogon is named for Khal Drogo. Rhaegal and Viserion are named for her brothers Rhaegar and Viserys. (Please excuse any spelling errors)
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Post by AgentFox5 on Aug 14, 2017 11:34:57 GMT -5
HOLY SHIT!!! THE WESTEROS AVENGERS!!!
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Post by okcomputer on Aug 14, 2017 12:01:43 GMT -5
So Drogon knows Jon is a Targaryen, and Dany probably knows something is up too. And then Gilly just happened to come across an old book that confirmed that Jon isn't a bastard at all, but a true born Targaryen and thus the rightful king. This is gonna get interesting. Also, Cersei is pregnant again and Jaime is back to being a blind idiot. Yes, the woman you love is carrying the child that will let your House survive, but she's still fucking crazy and she needs killing.
And then the Dirty Dozen (or 7) heading north of the Wall to capture a White Walker and bring it South, that's just bonkers and a monumentally terrible idea.
Oh, and I could barely make out the note Arya found in Littlefinger's room. It was from Sansa, and it mentioned bending the knee and swearing fealty to Joffrey. But that's all I got. From the looks of Littlefinger, that sneaky fucker, I don't think that was the note Arya was looking for. He hid it in a spot that would make it seem more important, but I think the note the Maester found in the archives is one that proves Littlefinger's link to the assassin who tried to kill Bran back in season 1. It makes more sense that he'd keep that note on his person, and let Arya find the less important note to throw her off the scent.
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Post by ravenmaniac on Aug 14, 2017 15:38:24 GMT -5
So Drogon knows Jon is a Targaryen, and Dany probably knows something is up too. And then Gilly just happened to come across an old book that confirmed that Jon isn't a bastard at all, but a true born Targaryen and thus the rightful king. This is gonna get interesting. Also, Cersei is pregnant again and Jaime is back to being a blind idiot. Yes, the woman you love is carrying the child that will let your House survive, but she's still fucking crazy and she needs killing. And then the Dirty Dozen (or 7) heading north of the Wall to capture a White Walker and bring it South, that's just bonkers and a monumentally terrible idea. Oh, and I could barely make out the note Arya found in Littlefinger's room. It was from Sansa, and it mentioned bending the knee and swearing fealty to Joffrey. But that's all I got. From the looks of Littlefinger, that sneaky fucker, I don't think that was the note Arya was looking for. He hid it in a spot that would make it seem more important, but I think the note the Maester found in the archives is one that proves Littlefinger's link to the assassin who tried to kill Bran back in season 1. It makes more sense that he'd keep that note on his person, and let Arya find the less important note to throw her off the scent. It was the note Cersei forced Sansa to write trying to get Robb to come to Kings Landing and bend the knee. The story I read assumed he's going to try and drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya so Sansa still keeps him close and doesn't agree with Arya's obvious desire to stick that dagger in his gut.
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Post by AgentFox5 on Aug 14, 2017 19:48:53 GMT -5
And then the Dirty Dozen (or 7) heading north of the Wall to capture a White Walker and bring it South, that's just bonkers and a monumentally terrible idea. Agreed. I feel like there are less suicidal courses of action to take. So I'm calling it now: either Danaerys will fly in on Drogon and save the day OR Jon will somehow be controlled by the Night King and turn on everyone.
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Post by okcomputer on Aug 15, 2017 13:02:08 GMT -5
I think the thing that makes the most sense is they run into a group of Wights (which are different from White Walkers... I've been watching this show for 7 seasons and the names are confusing as hell), there's a big fight, and they quickly realize capturing a Wight is impossible and they were all morons to agree to this stupid fucking plan. But then Beric pipes up and says "Hey guys, why don't you just kill me and tie me up real tight before I turn into an ice zombie? Thoros over there can try and bring me back to life after the plan is done."
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Post by S. Griffin on Aug 15, 2017 14:23:29 GMT -5
I really hope that's why Beric Dondarrian is on that mission, from a storytelling perspective. Ten minutes after the epiosde, I was taking a piss and shouted to Mrs. Griffin "Don't people just need to die north of the wall to become Wights? Why the fuck are they going after the army of the dead to capture one. Why not just kill somebody and bring them back after they turn?"
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Post by okcomputer on Aug 15, 2017 14:58:21 GMT -5
Is anyone else not at all bothered by how fast characters are able to travel from place to place this season? I've read other places where people say the show is jumping the shark by having Euron's fleet leave King's Landing and then attack Yara's fleet later in the same episode. And then in last week's episode, Davos went from Dragonstone to King's Landing, back to Dragonstone, and then all the way to Eastwatch in the span of a 60 minute episode.
I can't be the only person who doesn't care about stuff like this. This show is sprinting towards the end (just 8 episodes left in the entire series), so storytelling shortcuts are to be expected. Besides, I've never assumed all the events we see in one episode are necessarily happening simultaneously. Davos's storyline last week could've spanned weeks, and Jaime's only days. This isn't 24, things don't happen in real-time on this show. Maybe I'm just not as familiar with the geography of Westeros as some people, but when I see a character leave one location and show up in another I don't stop to figure out how long the trip would've taken.
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