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Post by NecroDragon on May 6, 2016 16:06:03 GMT -5
OKC, what was the plotline that didn't pan out satisfyingly for you? For me it was the Sokkovia Accords remaining a huge issue for the Avengers and Cap not dying. I was really hoping Cap would surrender like in the comics.
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Post by okcomputer on May 6, 2016 17:30:30 GMT -5
I was thinking of the other Winter Soldiers in Siberia. It seemed for a while that they were building towards a big fight Bucky, Cap, Tony, and T'Challa against 5 other super soldiers, but when they get there and Zemo's already killed them all in their sleep, it felt a little anticlimactic at first. But the more I thought about it, the way they handled it was much better. Cap vs Tony one on one was really the only way to end it. Also, HOW FUCKING COOL WAS THAT AIRPORT FIGHT??? I hate this term, but it really was one long incredibly satisfying nerdgasm.
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Post by NecroDragon on May 6, 2016 19:56:10 GMT -5
That's funny, I had the opposite expectation for the other Winter Soldiers. I was hoping the movie wouldn't end with the good guys banding together to fight another faceless enemy and I was glad that it was all a ploy by Zemo. I get where you were originally coming from, though.
Yes it was fucking brilliant! They did all the right things in that battle. Cap and Spidey stopping to have a little moment, Ant-man talking to Tony from inside his suit, Spider-man pondering Falcon's ability to fly, Spidey's quip about Cap's shield, fucking GIANT-MAN, Hawkeye finally being a badass, Black Panther kicking ass... The music when they all clashed after that money shot in the trailer when they're running towards each other gave me chills.
Upon further reflection, I think it's weird that they didn't have Bucky at least try to apologize to Tony for killing his parents during the big reveal. Also, Cap sending that letter to Tony and Tony looking like he's thinking "aw shucks, Steve. No hard feelings after all." felt off to me. It was almost as if there were no devastating repercussions from the fact that they had beat each other to within an inch of their lives. The comics handled that a lot better IMO. I suppose in the next Avengers movie we'll see for sure just what the consequences are of the Civil War, but the ending seemed a little too sunshine and rainbows, considering the circumstances. Even Zemo said "Did I really fail?", but the epilogue made it seem like maybe he did.
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Post by AgentFox5 on May 7, 2016 10:41:05 GMT -5
See to me, Tony's look while reading the letter was more like the "Sometimes I wanna punch you in your perfect teeth" look. Sure he sees what Steve is trying to do, but he's still pissed. I agree though that it was weird that Bucky didn't say sorry. Sure he looked like he was ashamed, but come on man. 3 words. "I'm sorry Tony." It ain't that hard.
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Post by frinspar on May 8, 2016 20:48:27 GMT -5
Went to the theater for the 3:45 show, but decided against it after getting there. Seems a lot of moms were working overtime on their day off, and being dragged to the movie by their kids. So, we opted out and are waiting for midweek sometime now.
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Post by okcomputer on May 8, 2016 21:10:39 GMT -5
Hopefully you can make it that long without some internet dickbag telling you who kills Cap.
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Post by BeefEaster on May 8, 2016 21:49:34 GMT -5
great movie
I'm glad I avoided spoilers cause there were several things that were surprises to me
like giant man, that was fucking awesome
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Post by NecroDragon on May 9, 2016 0:59:00 GMT -5
That was fucking awesome, even though it was spoiled for me. I wish it hadn't been.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 8:40:23 GMT -5
Spoiled for me by the lego sey he's in lol
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Post by okcomputer on May 9, 2016 11:00:53 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems like Lego and Marvel Legends spoiled something the studio was intentionally keeping out of the trailers. But even though I knew it was coming it still works really well. "Little guy is big now! Little guy is big now!"
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Post by okcomputer on May 9, 2016 11:29:42 GMT -5
And the more I think about it, someone (besides Peggy Carter) should've died in that movie. Probably Rhodes.
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Post by frinspar on May 9, 2016 18:36:30 GMT -5
Definitely not in the right frame of mind - or right kind of seat that didn't hurt my ass - to see this today.
Movie's good, neat stuff happened. But I was too distracted by other stuff to be able to dive into it.
Hated the Spidey watch thing in the second credit scene.
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Post by NecroDragon on May 9, 2016 21:14:06 GMT -5
And the more I think about it, someone (besides Peggy Carter) should've died in that movie. Probably Rhodes. I agree. It felt too clean. Not enough consequences. I think Cap should have.
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Post by AgentFox5 on May 29, 2016 2:56:16 GMT -5
Definitely not in the right frame of mind - or right kind of seat that didn't hurt my ass - to see this today. Movie's good, neat stuff happened. But I was too distracted by other stuff to be able to dive into it. Hated the Spidey watch thing in the second credit scene. It's the spider signal
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Post by razkazz on Feb 16, 2017 21:35:01 GMT -5
I finally watched Civil War and I liked it. Age Of Ultron turned me from a die-hard MCU fan to being totally indifferent to what happens next. Civil War didn't have the terrible pacing of AoU, it took the appropriate amount of time to set everything up, and the action scenes were full of original and fun ideas. The only thing left bugging me is how much of a no-brainer it was to choose which side was right.
The biggest takeaway from the movie is that the entire world would've been better off if Stark just offed himself at the beginning of Iron Man 3. I'm kinda pissed that Cap and War Machine forgave him after playing into a terrorist's hands and nearly destroying the team.
Anyway, now I'm all caught up except for Doctor Strange.
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Post by razkazz on Feb 17, 2017 1:08:17 GMT -5
And the more I think about it, someone (besides Peggy Carter) should've died in that movie. Probably Rhodes. I agree. It felt too clean. Not enough consequences. I think Cap should have. Iron Man should've died. He was the real villain. I would've loved a Scorsese style bludgeoning and burial in Latveria leading up to the credits. You don't sell out your friends, almost get them killed, get one paralyzed (although yes, if it was still Terrence Howard playing War Machine I would've been glad cuz fuck that guy), and get a free pass to join back up for the next movie. Stark is beyond redemption to me at this point. It was really frustrating to me throughout the movie that the conversations he had with other characters let him off so easy for making such impactful decisions behind everyone's back and admitting it's for selfish reasons so Pepper will come back. Cap really had every right to end him with that shield blow at the end of the movie.
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Post by okcomputer on Feb 17, 2017 11:17:10 GMT -5
There was an issue of the Thor comic during the original Civil War crossover where Thor comes back after having been dead for a while (because comics), and Tony approaches him and tried to get Thor to register as a superhuman. Thor delivers a beatdown on Tony so epic that his armor is so trashed he has to walk back to the nearest SHIELD base. It was incredibly satisfying. Tony was a MUCH bigger dickbag in the Civil War comics than he was in the movie.
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Post by frinspar on Feb 17, 2017 17:59:58 GMT -5
Yay! More Tony haters! I'm sure the repercussions will be totally ignored in the Spidey movie.
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Post by razkazz on Feb 18, 2017 1:02:17 GMT -5
The thing is, I always liked Iron Man before this movie lol.
Now I want to tie my NECA 1/4th scale to a bottle rocket.
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Post by frinspar on Feb 18, 2017 15:41:11 GMT -5
Always hated the guy, but enjoy Downey's portrayal. Or did. His Stark's just too much of a asshole now.
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Post by okcomputer on Feb 20, 2017 11:17:34 GMT -5
I watched Civil War again over the weekend, and I love how the movie makes the effort to show both sides of the argument without overtly villainizing either side. In the Civil War comic, Tony Stark was a full-blown bad guy, locking up his friends in his fancy Negative Zone prison just because they refused to take off their masks and register with the government. The way the movie handled the debate was much, much better. Both sides had equally valid points that make sense from given the character arcs that got Cap and Tony to this point. Cap is obviously less inclined to trust more bureaucracy given what SHIELD did to him, and Tony is understandably willing to accept more oversight, since accepting responsibility for his past actions been his motivation since Iron Man 1. I side with Cap more though, mainly because he's Captain America and I love that character, but by the end of the movie when Zemo makes his final play and shows Tony the tape of Bucky murdering his parents, at that point I'm fully on Team Stark. Especially given that Tony flies to Siberia in a genuine effort to let bygones be bygones and save Cap from what he knows is gonna be a hell of a fight. He goes to help Cap in good faith, and gets blindsided by the revelation that Cap's best bud killed his parents. He's rightfully pissed off, and that pretty brutal fight scene feels 100% earned.
So no, I don't think Tony is a dick in Civil War at all. The closest he comes is when he recruits a 15 year old kid from Queens to come to Germany for a huge superhero throwndown that could easily have gotten him killed, but aside from that one plot-necessitating example of poor judgment, Tony's actions are understandable. And so are Cap's, which is why the movie is so damn good.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Feb 20, 2017 17:58:56 GMT -5
Sorry but Stark wasn't in the right at the end. Yes Bucky killed his parents and that's horrible but it's not his fault. He wasn't in control of his actions thanks to Hydra's brainwashing so when Stark flips out and starts kicking Cap's ass so he can kill Bucky it's in no way justified. He let his emotions cloud his judgement which I totally understand. Now if Bucky had just flat out murdered them for the hell of it then sure Stark would be in the right but that's not the case. Bucky was just as much a victim as his parents.
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Post by okcomputer on Feb 21, 2017 12:07:52 GMT -5
I disagree. Tony didn't have the history with Bucky that Cap had, and his only knowledge of the guy was that he was a known assassin and suspected terrorist. Tony had just seen video proof that Bucky killed his parents, and even though Cap was right when he told Tony that Bucky wasn't in control of his actions at the time, he had no real reason to believe him. His lashing out was totally understandable given the circumstances.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Feb 21, 2017 13:49:38 GMT -5
If he knew about Zemo and the Winter Soldiers he was supposedly going to help stop then he should've known about how Bucky used to be one of them too.
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Post by okcomputer on Feb 21, 2017 15:08:02 GMT -5
I guess I'll need to watch that part again to see exactly what Tony knew about the Siberian Hydra base, but I don't think he knew all the details of Bucky's past. All he knew was that Zemo framed Bucky for the UN bombing, which is why when Tony first gets to the base he was willing to take Cap at his word that Bucky was to be trusted. But when Zemo unveils his endgame of splintering the Avengers forever by showing Tony the video of his parents' murder, he loses it and attacks Cap and Bucky, which I think is a legitimate character choice, especially given Tony's character arc across the entire MCU.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Feb 21, 2017 15:13:33 GMT -5
I'm not 100% either but if Falcon told him about Zemo and the Winter Soldiers when Stark talked to him in his cell then I would think he'd have told Stark that Bucky used to be one against his will.
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Post by razkazz on Feb 21, 2017 22:50:44 GMT -5
If I recall, Cap explains that Bucky was being controlled by Hydra and Iron Man yells something to the effect of "I don't care! He killed my Mom!".
I caught the end of Avengers 1 before Taboo on FX tonight and I was bummed. That's the team of heroes I can't get enough of, but the magic is gone. Stark is unrecognizable at this point in the series, all of his good qualities are gone. I haven't enjoyed a single moment of Vision, barely liked any Scarlet Witch stuff, and Hawkeye went immediately from making me wish we got to see more of who his character is to dear lord, please leave this lame soccer dad in the background.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Feb 21, 2017 23:14:26 GMT -5
Cap, Thor, and Hulk are the only ones from that original team I like and Cap is the only one of the three to get good movies. Hopefully the new Thor movie breaks that cycle because who knows when the hell they'll do another Hulk movie.
Meanwhile I'm still waiting for Ant-Man to officially become an Avenger. HE WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER GOD DAMN IT!
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Post by frinspar on Feb 21, 2017 23:22:52 GMT -5
Stark, as we have seen, is going to provide the schizophrenic change of character in the movies that Pym gives in the comics.
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Post by GhostRider5289 on Feb 21, 2017 23:24:45 GMT -5
I'd be okay with that.
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