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Post by razkazz on Sept 12, 2013 18:23:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it goes from funny and whimsical to depressing (and perverse if the script is followed).
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Post by NecroDragon on Sept 13, 2013 15:57:45 GMT -5
I agree with Stewie completely. Suicide is never something that should be laughed about. I was going to say that that guy focused on the wrong details of what people think is creepy. I never thought it was weird that she was in a bathtub, naked, I thought it was weird that she was about to kill herself in a realistic - albeit cartoonishly exaggerated - way. I do like his art and that he attempted to downplay the over-sexualized image of Harley in the last panel, but like Griffin said, it really does seem like J. Palmiotti has that freakish suicide fetish which I just can not abide.
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Post by skullshine on Sept 14, 2013 0:58:58 GMT -5
Something else I've noticed about DC, look at several of those new Villains month covers. It seems DC has developed a bondage fetish. I was looking at some of these books at the local shop this past Wednesday. Several Batman books and some Green Lantern books, have the hero tied/chained up on the cover. Not anything new in the world of comics, for sure, but in light of the Harley Quinn/suicide porn thing, it's just an observation.
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Post by frinspar on Sept 14, 2013 1:47:57 GMT -5
Might be trying to appeal to a new market.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 0:10:55 GMT -5
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Post by CelticPredator on Sept 15, 2013 5:44:56 GMT -5
Suicide jokes can be funny. Groundhog Day's suicides are hilarious.
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 15, 2013 10:39:05 GMT -5
Do you honestly think that last panel (not the one you drew) is funny, Kid?
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Post by SkellyMan on Sept 15, 2013 11:24:31 GMT -5
It was funny in fear and loathing
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Post by SkellyMan on Sept 15, 2013 11:25:27 GMT -5
It was funny in fear and loathing
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Post by SkellyMan on Sept 15, 2013 11:27:18 GMT -5
It was funny in fear and loathing And family guy
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 15, 2013 12:00:43 GMT -5
Those scenes benefited from context and clever writing. With the context of the first three panels, the tub scene is a stark and depressing contrast from the far fetched and cartoonish tone that preceded it. As far as clever writing goes, that really isn't Palmiotti's forte. Seriously, if that hack can write this issue to make me laugh at that last panel, I'll buy every goddamn issue in the county and write 'Ol Jimmy a letter praising his talents ("Where have you been hiding it for so long?") Anyway, I didn't ask about Family Guy or Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I asked specifically about the fourth Harley Quinn panel, in and of itself, and I asked CP. Already got your answer, Bub.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 0:57:53 GMT -5
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Post by NecroDragon on Sept 16, 2013 1:31:52 GMT -5
Those scenes benefited from context and clever writing. With the context of the first three panels, the tub scene is a stark and depressing contrast from the far fetched and cartoonish tone that preceded it. As far as clever writing goes, that really isn't Palmiotti's forte. Seriously, if that hack can write this issue to make me laugh at that last panel, I'll buy every goddamn issue in the county and write 'Ol Jimmy a letter praising his talents (" Where have you been hiding it for so long?")Anyway, I didn't ask about Family Guy or Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I asked specifically about the fourth Harley Quinn panel, in and of itself, and I asked CP. Already got your answer, Bub. I was going to say that. Verbatim.
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Post by Asp Me Anything on Sept 16, 2013 9:10:12 GMT -5
I still don't see the problem you are having with it.
Maybe you just want to hate on DC, and Jimmy Palmiotti.
Whatevs...
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 12:41:02 GMT -5
Riiiight. You don't see a problem, therefore people like Necro, Raz, and myself can't really feel differently about this thing than you. Nobody here actually finds that fourth panel to be in poor taste, disturbing, twisted, or just plain dumb. It's just an excuse to rag on DC and Palmiotti. That's the only logical explanation. Jesus Fucking Christ, Dude, you been having long conversations with Electric Red into the wee hours of the morning, or what?
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Post by SkellyMan on Sept 16, 2013 12:51:10 GMT -5
I just think its wried that people are having a fit over this, when there's been way more sadistic things in comics
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Post by NecroDragon on Sept 16, 2013 15:21:29 GMT -5
I'm seriously not trying to antagonize, but just out of sheer interest and curiosity, what other stiff would you be referring to? Like Garth Ennis stuff?
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Post by SkellyMan on Sept 16, 2013 19:49:01 GMT -5
Rape, murder-rape (in marvel),other various forms of torture/death. compared to Sabretooth's bedroom, harley's generic bathtub suicide is candy
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 21:11:02 GMT -5
How much of that have the writers and publishers proposed the reader accept as humorous? There's a pretty distinct difference in the tone most graphic violence in comics is intended to convey and the tone DC is trying to convey with the Harley suicide stuff (including the tub). You seem to think it's tame or harmless like Thrall does, but if you read a lot of the stuff DC is putting out in defense of the whole thing (Jim Lee posted a series of incredibly condescending tweets explaining to people how is supposed to work and how people should view the Harley panels) they're insisting that the Harley suicide thing is meant to be "breaking the fourth wall" and funny, including the looming bathtub suicide. Some of us don't find the bathtub suicide thing funny. Some of us think it's in really poor taste, especially when intended as humorous. Again, suicide jokes can indeed be quite funny when done right, but that fourth panel doesn't seem like it's going to fit the bill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 21:15:38 GMT -5
What I find hilarious is that the Family Guy fan thinks he is often the moral authority and measuring stick for what is and isn't funny around here.
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Post by SkellyMan on Sept 16, 2013 21:19:21 GMT -5
What I find hilarious is that the Family Guy fan thinks he is often the moral authority and measuring stick for what is and isn't funny around here. That's a little insulting
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 21:19:32 GMT -5
Am I the only person whose criticized the Harley stuff? Also, I'd love you to give another example of my thinking I'm "the moral authority and measuring stick for what is and isn't funny."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 21:21:22 GMT -5
^ no racial or gay jokes ever gets past your PC radar Griffin.
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 21:24:53 GMT -5
Point one out. Post a link or two.
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 21:27:23 GMT -5
Also, I'm really goddamned certain I've made a gay joke or jab here and there. Is your problem that a couple of them were about you, Geek?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 21:28:44 GMT -5
Point one out. Post a link or two. ^ I don't have time for that. I have to prepare my bathtub suicide. Lighten up Griffin I was just bustin' yer balls.
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 21:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by S. Griffin on Sept 16, 2013 21:31:41 GMT -5
Point one out. Post a link or two. ^ I don't have time for that. I have to prepare my bathtub suicide. Lighten up Griffein I was just bustin' yer balls. ^See, that's actually pretty funny...in context
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Post by frinspar on Sept 16, 2013 21:41:54 GMT -5
That people have taken issue with it shouldn't be dismissed wholesale because "suicide can by funny". I think in this case it might be due in large part to them asking fans and artists to depict 4 methods of suicide being attempted by a well-known character. It does come off as pretty creepy and WTFish. Yeah, I just said WTFish. But if this was just a page in a random comic, and not a contest, the reactions would probably not be so remarkable. It's that they want (potentially) hundreds of people to focus on this specific idea, and it's fairly grim stuff for the sake of crowning a "winner".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 21:56:16 GMT -5
I can't wait to fap to all the contenders.
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