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Post by Lord Magneto on Nov 29, 2011 17:58:38 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone does anything with videos here?
I use my video camera a lot when we have friends over/at wedding etc. My wife and friends think I should try and do some wedding video work on the side. I've only ever shot friends weddings for fun when I know they did not have anyone else videotaping anything.
Anyone else out there do anything similar?
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Post by NOTtehFACE on Nov 29, 2011 19:00:04 GMT -5
Yeah. It kind of sucks. People want to pay diddly, they usually complain about the quality and how it doesn't look anything like choreographed, Roman Palanski film. Annoys me- what people expect from one person holding a camera.
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Post by magneto1138 on Nov 29, 2011 20:38:52 GMT -5
^i dunno. The last wedding video we did was pretty epic for what we were working with. Even made the groom cry, remember?
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Post by NOTtehFACE on Nov 29, 2011 21:24:27 GMT -5
That was pure brilliance. I should put it up on YouTube.
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Post by Lord Magneto on Nov 30, 2011 2:24:31 GMT -5
video or it didnt happen Yeah I hear you... I was thinking about charging next to nothing as well (maybe $500 since I'm just starting out) I will definitely have to think it over more
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Post by frinspar on Nov 30, 2011 4:54:37 GMT -5
Video is cancer. Photography is a lie. Memory is king.
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Post by electric red on Nov 30, 2011 12:35:55 GMT -5
I'm into cellphone videography. I think it's the future of videography because cellphones are convenient and comes in handy when you need to shoot something. I mostly do Youtube material.
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Post by latonthesnake on Nov 30, 2011 12:52:53 GMT -5
Geez $500 because you're just starting out...try free, or travel expense only. And if you don't have an ironclad contract it's very likely you will be sued. Weddings are the most difficult part of the photography and videography field. Expectations are EXTREMELY high, and everything is ruled by emotion. You have to meet with the bride and groom beforehand and discuss blocking, as well as meeting with the church or wedding administrators to see where it's going to be okay for you to shoot from. And if your camera craps out and you miss that special moment because you don't have a backup, you may be looking at a judgment forcing you to pay for a reenactment. That's usually an extreme case but it does happen, usually judgments are just for damages, and people end up losing most of their gear. the likelihood of legal entanglement is the prime reason that professional wedding photographers and videographers carry liability insurance. Then there's all the copyright mumbo-jumbo. The finished video has to have a release with it. I could go on and on, I'm sorry if all of this seems argumentative or harsh but the industry is currently oversaturated with the business model you just mentioned ( i.e. my family said I'm good at it so I'm going to charge money). In the end you're hurting the industry by undercutting the value of the product, and quite likely putting yourself at legal risk (seriously, these bitches is crazy ) If you're really serious about it start studying wedding videography, start learning it as a craft. Get to know what's going to be expected of you. How many hours of editing are you going to do? what format are you going to present the finished product in? do you need to get rights for musical numbers? and for God sake learn all of the legal paperwork. Then do a couple gigs for free (be sure you're up front with the bride and groom about being new to this), and maybe even shadow another videographer (not so much for free but for trade, allowing you to exhibit the work for promotional gain). The people who really excel in this industry are much more than just a gwc... They understand mood lighting and tone, they usually have tons of money invested in equipment and editing gear, such as color calibrated IPS monitors and Pro grade high-definition editing programs. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying don't treat it like a paper route. This is my two cents, I didn't find them... I earned them
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Post by latonthesnake on Nov 30, 2011 13:03:34 GMT -5
And NOTtehFACE is absolutely brilliant with both a video camera and editing, fact that he is complaining about it says leaps and bounds.
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Post by Oce on Nov 30, 2011 14:06:59 GMT -5
Just journalism videography/multimedia pieces. I've had a couple people ask if I do freelance video work but I haven't reached the point of thinking my video skills are at that level yet.
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Post by NOTtehFACE on Nov 30, 2011 19:17:54 GMT -5
And NOTtehFACE is absolutely brilliant with both a video camera and editing, fact that he is complaining about it says leaps and bounds. Thank you, thank you.
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Post by Lord Magneto on Dec 1, 2011 11:20:12 GMT -5
Geez $500 because you're just starting out...try free, or travel expense only. And if you don't have an ironclad contract it's very likely you will be sued. Weddings are the most difficult part of the photography and videography field. Expectations are EXTREMELY high, and everything is ruled by emotion. You have to meet with the bride and groom beforehand and discuss blocking, as well as meeting with the church or wedding administrators to see where it's going to be okay for you to shoot from. And if your camera craps out and you miss that special moment because you don't have a backup, you may be looking at a judgment forcing you to pay for a reenactment. That's usually an extreme case but it does happen, usually judgments are just for damages, and people end up losing most of their gear. the likelihood of legal entanglement is the prime reason that professional wedding photographers and videographers carry liability insurance. Then there's all the copyright mumbo-jumbo. The finished video has to have a release with it. I could go on and on, I'm sorry if all of this seems argumentative or harsh but the industry is currently oversaturated with the business model you just mentioned ( i.e. my family said I'm good at it so I'm going to charge money). In the end you're hurting the industry by undercutting the value of the product, and quite likely putting yourself at legal risk (seriously, these bitches is crazy ) If you're really serious about it start studying wedding videography, start learning it as a craft. Get to know what's going to be expected of you. How many hours of editing are you going to do? what format are you going to present the finished product in? do you need to get rights for musical numbers? and for God sake learn all of the legal paperwork. Then do a couple gigs for free (be sure you're up front with the bride and groom about being new to this), and maybe even shadow another videographer (not so much for free but for trade, allowing you to exhibit the work for promotional gain). The people who really excel in this industry are much more than just a gwc... They understand mood lighting and tone, they usually have tons of money invested in equipment and editing gear, such as color calibrated IPS monitors and Pro grade high-definition editing programs. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying don't treat it like a paper route. This is my two cents, I didn't find them... I earned them hey man I definitely didn't take that as harsh or anything like that. It's the truth of issues that are out there. It is definitely something for me to mull over. I've actually reached out to the person who shot my wife and I's wedding to seeing if I could shadow them/assist them with a few wedding shoots. If I decide to actually do this I most likely will do the first few for free. But you mentioned a lot of things I never thought of like insurance. That never crossed my mind. As well as how long will it take me to process/edit everything. Up until now I haven't shot a "full" wedding/reception. It's been pieces here and there that I have pieced together for a few different videos for the couple. The truth is I really enjoy shooting the videos for my friends and editing them. If I could turn this into something more I'd love to at least get out there and try it. But you are correct. I need to be upfront with any client and let them know that I am just starting out. Hell I don't even have "professional" equipment yet Thanks for all the input it's definitely a good chunk of information to consider.
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Post by latonthesnake on Dec 1, 2011 20:19:20 GMT -5
That's great to hear. And thanks for not taking it as an attack, sometimes people get overly defensive when it comes to discussing turning an art/Hobby into a career.
If you're really passionate about it definitely learn the subtle ins and outs and pursue it! shadowing that guy sounds like it would be beneficial and heckuva lot of fun ;D after all, all the responsibility is on him. weddings are just one of those deep end of the pool kind of things, and are usually more suited for a long-term career goal than a hobby or cash on the side kind of thing. That being said, if you're really good at it you can make in upwards of $70,000 a year (or more) there are videographers who start at $5000 per wedding that are booked up six months in advance. The only caveat is that you have to be good enough and unique enough to command that kind of price.
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